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General and Everything Else => The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff => Topic started by: troflip on June 18, 2016, 04:57:19 PM
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Look for inspiration for my project... tired of the standard stuff. Were there any especially cool but still readable fonts in any Sierra games?
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I particularly like Wilco Serif, myself.
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I played around with importing some TTF fonts... it's tough work, obviously, since vector fonts don't generally scale well to low resolutions.
Here are the best ones I got, from top to bottom:
OCR A (comes with windows) - edited so it's not monospace
SegoeScript (comes with windows) - obviously you wouldn't use this for your main font, but it's not bad if you need script)
SmallFont (got it somewhere on the internet) - remarkably readable for being so small
Wilco is the last one, for comparison...
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Some second tier ones:
TerminalTiny (internet) - not bad readability for minuscule text
Wasco Sans (windows)
Motorwerk8 (internet)
SegeoPrint (windows) - probably more readable than SegoeScript
Alien (internet)
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Nice results! Those definitely look nice and crisp and not jagged or blocky at all...for low res, anyway.
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Are you familiar with this:
FONTS_91
...dedicated to all those who use
(and abuse) fonts on a regular basis...
Attempting to organize the mass of fonts that have been developed
over the past 4 years, we came up with the following naming convention:
the thousands digit indicates the type; the hundreds digit indicates
the font; and the last two digits indicate the height in pixels.
Therefore, font number 1208 is a san serif font 8 pixels tall.
1000 fonts -- SAN SERIF
2000 fonts -- SERIF
3000 fonts -- SCRIPT
4000 fonts -- BLOCK
5000 fonts -- DECORATIVE
6000 fonts -- HEADLINE
SERIFS are the teensy-weensy lines at the tops and bottoms of some
letters. SAN SERIF are fonts without serifs ("san" being from the
Latin, "Sansabelt" or "Jaymar Ruby"). LEADING is the white space
between lines of type (the more lead, the farther apart the lines
are). A short font history will follow (much later).
A complete list follows:
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SAN SERIF
1005 smallest readable upper/lowercase, narrow width, not recommended,
use only in a (for a) pinch
1006 more readable, better proportions than 1005
1008
1105 a kinda narrow Helvetica
1106 more leading that 1105
1207 medium width Helvetica-esque
1208 medium width Helvetica-ette
1307 wide Helvetica-like thing
1405 reverse of 1205 (as seen on Arnoid's helmet in SQ3)
1505 block caps where lowercase should be; symbols where uppercase
should be. (as made famous in SQ3 heirogyphics at end of
Astro Chicken arcade game)
SERIF
2107 was originally font.0, a lovely Chicago ripoff
2108 known and loved as font.1; a "Herb Lubalin-like" masterpiece
2206 [work in progress]
2207 TSN's button font
2306 as seen in SQ2, but made famous by QFG1, nee HQ1
2308 like 2306, but 2 pixels taller
2309 an outline of 2306
2407 monospaced American typewriter
2508 a heavy black font to be used behind font ____ (?)
2510 a large, readable, Caslon-type type, semi-bold, with a hint of
mint
SCRIPT
3008 script, Middle Ages, pretension yet easy to read
3110 Black Forest script, fussy, frilly, Robin Hoodie
3112 black background for 3110
BLOCK
4010 [work in progress]
4109 big and chunky, heavy, black
4112 even bigger. With a touch of Western influence
4115 Helvetica Giant font. From Larry2, "She's Naked!"
4210 Olde English
DECORATIVE
5110 outer space/computer OCR font. From SQ2
5112 outline of 5110
5210 bold, larger version of 5110
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Well, "Sans Serif" but who's counting.
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"pretension yet easy to read"
lol...
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Well, "Sans Serif" but who's counting.
and it's not Latin, but French...
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Sansabelt is an article of clothing, so I don't think they were being serious about "latin" (or much of anything). :P
fwiw, Wikipedia says it can also be spelled "san serif", and that "serif" is dutch (and "sans" is French of course).
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As a Dutchman, "serif" is not Dutch but "schreef" is.
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Are you saying wikipedia had incorrect information? **shudders in disbelief**
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Dat is precies wat ik wil zeggen, ja!
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As a Dutchman, "serif" is not Dutch but "schreef" is.
The claim was NOT that is is the same as the Dutch word, but that it is derived from schreef. The Wikipedia article was sourced the Webster's Third New International Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/serif
Origin and Etymology of serif
probably from Dutch schreef stroke, line,
from Middle Dutch, from schriven to write,
from Latin scribere ? more at scribe
Borrowing/modifying words from other languages is simply a linguistical aspect of the way languages evolve.
Wikipedia has been found in several studies by some prominent universities to be as accurate as and more up-to-date than most of the leading encyclopedias, like Britannica. There is a high emphasis on citations and they have a lot of admin and bureaucrats that are notified when an edit is made. They are usually experts in the fields they patrol. Yes, occasionally people will try to modify pages to fit their needs, but these are usually caught within minutes. Case in point, when Michele Bachmann was running for president she was constantly ridiculed for her laughably ahistorical references. One such was to refer to John Quincy Adams as a Founding Father, even though he was just a child at the founding of the nation. Her fans tried to modify the Wiki entry for John Quincy Adams to say he was. It was corrected within minutes.
If you ever find an inaccuracy in Wikipedia there is a talk page where it can be discussed. If a page is controversial or contested it may be locked until it is sorted out. If an entry is made without citation it will be marked as needing citation. If an entry is found to be substandard it will again be flagged, both for needing attention as well as warning to the user that the article should be taken at face value.
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Phil said serif was Dutch, I denied it, he joked, I joked (I hoped that was clear from the sudden lang switch). Sit down, Colbro.
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No epistemological interest, I see.
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Not at 2:40 in the night, I don't :3
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I'd really like to use that WILCO font for a game I'm working on. Does anyone have the Font Resource I could add to my game's resources?
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I attached Wilco Serif.fon back on page 1 (http://sciprogramming.com/community/index.php?topic=1632.msg9505#msg9505).
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I attached Wilco Serif.fon back on page 1 (http://sciprogramming.com/community/index.php?topic=1632.msg9505#msg9505).
I downloaded it a couple times but have not had any success installing it on my computer or opening it with companion.
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Really? I just downloaded that specific file, opened SCI Companion, File > Open Patch File... and there it is.
Of course, installing it as a font on Windows or Linux or whathaveyou would be doomed to fail since this is an SCI font resource ;)
And in my stash, in the fonts folder, is a version that's reordered to match Win-1252 that I just whipped up, but doesn't have all the characters yet.
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Gotcha. It works just fine. Thanks for the walk-through. I was going about it in the wrong direction!
Thanks again.
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What direction was that?
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What direction was that?
I was trying to install it to Windows then use the companion feature to draw an approximation. Obviously that was the wrong way to go
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Because obviously a .fon file is always a Windows bitmap font, like the old MS Sans Serif. No way it could be the very format the game it's from uses.</sarcasm>
I'm reminded of Sega Genesis/Mega Drive roms usually being .bin files. So helpful and handy.
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We all have brainfarts.
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True, but at least .fon for font files makes some sense, even if you can't tell Windows and SCI fonts apart. Genesis .bin files have no excuse.
(similar issue: .grp files, Program Manager and the Build engine)
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But Build engine files would not be in the Windows directory where the Program Manager .grp files were. It has been awhile, but wasn't there also a Program Manager ini file that listed all of the groups?
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Yeah, Genesis BIN files made no sense to me. Everything else had an easily identifiable extension, but....bin? Someone truly unimaginative implemented that. Probably a programmer. :P