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The map is very beautiful, the restoration work is very fine.
Thank you very much Charles!

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Sierra Version Tool
« on: April 03, 2023, 08:44:03 AM »
Hello Collector,

Indeed it changes everything. When I will have finished the sorting of my Sierra versions, I will send you directly the games that I did not manage to visualize with Sierra Version Tool. There won't be many, I think. I was hoping to find the few Japanese Windows editions I'm missing, so that you can reference them in the database, but they seem to be very rare indeed.

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All the beauty of the period manuals comes out with the restoration. I look forward to seeing your QFG2 map!

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: QFG1 EGA Deluxe
« on: March 29, 2023, 12:33:42 PM »
I suspected you were Blazingstix  :)

Oops, sorry for "Quest for Glory utilities", you right is "Quest For Glory Importer".
You are a true fan of Quest for Glory series!
Thanks for all the hard work!

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: QFG1 EGA Deluxe
« on: March 28, 2023, 10:25:16 AM »
Hi Charles,

I just saw your work, it's great!
I plan to translate this game into French sooner or later.
I could then rely on this wonderful update :)

Many thanks!!

PS: Are you the author of Blazingstix: Quest for Glory utilities?

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Wow, this is very beautiful. I'm very interested.

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 28, 2023, 10:11:41 AM »
I'd say the resources of one are not just similar but outright identical to the other, in this case. They're the exact same resources, merely spread out differently. The hash for the map file is different because the spread is different. This is obvious.

I can in fact confirm this with the fact the LSL3 source contains bat files and makevols scripts to create both "360" and "720" versions. In fact, there's an "overnite.bat" that does everything short of actually copying things to diskettes, for both four and eight disk versions. Hence the name. They're nightly builds, and they come in both 5.25" and 3.5", from the exact same resources.

If the 5.25" version is appreciably rarer in the wild today than the 3.5", I think translators may not need to worry about supporting the latter. Might simply not be worth the hassle.

Hi Kawa,
That was the response I expected. Now I understand. Thank you for taking the time to explain. It makes sense.  :)


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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Sierra Version Tool
« on: March 28, 2023, 12:53:23 AM »
@Collector
I will send you the game in question so you can check it out. It's wiser. ;D

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 28, 2023, 12:49:56 AM »
Yep, resource conservation is key. It's a great thing to catalogue everything.

It's a shame that Sierra games have so many bugs. Also the original translations are very poor. I think the worst in terms of bugs is QFG4.

I have a question: When the version and the interpreter are the same, but the hash is different, is it the same game or is it an alternative version?

I grabbed that archive. Painfully slow going through archive.org. It will take sometime to go through the fluxes to add them into my collection. I have not done any new streams for a while since my 5.25" floppy drive died and the price on them has shot up.

As to the Version Tool, I am starting to go through it to see what releases it has that are missing in my collection. It did have one of the earliest versions of KQ4, version 1.000.106, interpreter 0.000.247. It predates SCI's ability to accept external patch files. There does seem to be one earlier release that has interpreter 0.000.247, but I don't know what game version it is or anything more about it. If anyone knows about it, please let me know.

Where are you getting the different hash? Through the tool? If so, the hash generator accessible through the tool menu item was simply generating the wrong hash. That is the problem with a project that has say on the back burner for years. You forget things. The SCI method to get the MD5 hash does what SVM does. It only reads up to the first 5000 bytes of the target file into the byte array. This is to speed things up when scanning larger files. It also generates hashes consistent with SVM. The stand alone hash generator was using the entire file. The current version, which I will probably upload towards the end of the week uses the same method.

ETA: the MPC version of QfG4 is far less buggy than the floppy version. It still has a couple of timer bugs that are solved by the NRS patches.

Thanks for your explanations. Here is a screenshot of two LSL3 versions:
http://www.image-heberg.fr/files/16799784701195083359.jpg

The version and the interpreter are similar, but not the hash. However one offers 8 RESOURCE.001 files and the other only 4, this is due to the different floppy disk support of the time. But can we consider that it is the same game?

In any case for a translator, it changes everything, because the resources of one are not similar to the resources of the other, which requires to extend the compatibility of the translation patch. But this is a specific problem for people who want to translate a game.

I hope I'm not too confusing. It's interesting, I try to help and understand better too.


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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Sierra Version Tool
« on: March 27, 2023, 03:14:28 AM »
I just wanted to point out that Sierra Version Tool does not read some original Russian and Polish SCI games. This is the case of Leisure Suit Larry 7.

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 27, 2023, 02:54:04 AM »
I've discovered this guy and we've been talking quite a lot recently, I'll help him validate/complete his already impressive collection with my own fluxes. This is probably today's best ongoing effort for a complete database and validated original dumps and images of all Sierra games:

https://archive.org/details/20220303_20220303_0527

He's also actively developing an image checking/cleaning/manipulation tool that may be useful to you and your own fluxes, Collector: https://github.com/Digitoxin1/DiskImageTool

If you (or anyone else) have your own set of fluxes or original images files missing (or needing validation) and would like to contribute, feel free to hit me up :) I'm also on his Discord that is advertised on the archive page. He's also fluxing beyond Sierra and has many other collections on archives: https://archive.org/details/@digitoxin

It's a sublime preservation effort of original media in unaltered form! Of course that's a bit different from what you are doing @Threepwang with the fan translations and all, but a very important cause nonetheless :)

Yep, resource conservation is key. It's a great thing to catalogue everything.

It's a shame that Sierra games have so many bugs. Also the original translations are very poor. I think the worst in terms of bugs is QFG4.

I have a question: When the version and the interpreter are the same, but the hash is different, is it the same game or is it an alternative version?

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 25, 2023, 08:44:44 AM »
Please, do you have a source for the official Italian translation of Leisure Suit Larry 6. I can't find anything that indicates its existence. I know you have a long experience with SCI games, that's why I'm asking you ;)

My source was HwM, back in the original thread over at MegaTokyo:
https://helmet.kafuka.org/megatokyo/topic_1690.html#:~:text=LSL6%20has%20a%20German%2C%20French%2C%20Spanish%2C%20Italian%20%26%20Portuguese%20version

I never had any information about this version myself.

Thanks for the quick reply OmerMor, it's hard to be sure with only one source. Maybe it's a lost version, there are so many official translations that have disappeared. Including games from the ADL era.

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 25, 2023, 08:32:17 AM »
Would the LSL6 Italian be a fan translation? Enrico Rolfi wrote his TraduSCI for translating SCI games, specifically GK2 to Italian. Not sure how many games have been translated using his tool, but I am not aware of too many Sierra games with an official Italian localization.

In fact, there are 13 Sierra SCI games officially translated into Italian. 14 if one day I find the proof that LSL6 exists in Italian. But is right, because there is no original Italian edition, our Italian friends have translated the game.

To tell you the truth, I'm cleaning my Sierra archives and completing them in order to participate in the development of Sierra Version Tool. So I'm going by country and by game or series of games, then I'm going to send them all to dear @Boohyaka, who will know how to import them in the interpreters and send them to you. He has more skills than me.

Moreover, it's a great thing to know the official versions in each language. I'm in contact with a lot of people to do this. It's long, but I'm making good progress.

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 24, 2023, 06:38:49 AM »
@OmerMor,

Hi OmerMor!

International Versions:
Leisure Suit Larry 6 (French, German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish)

Please, do you have a source for the official Italian translation of Leisure Suit Larry 6. I can't find anything that indicates its existence. I know you have a long experience with SCI games, that's why I'm asking you ;)

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The Games and other Sierra Adventure stuff / Re: Rare SCI Games
« on: March 23, 2023, 10:21:52 PM »
About rare SCI games:

Brasoft versions of Leisure Suit Larry 5 and 6 are in the Brazilian magazine PC "Multimidia" #6 and 11, but I tested both games and they are in English only. So I don't think there is a Portuguese version.

I found Leisure Suit Larry 5 in Italian and it's an official translation I think. But the Interpreter doesn't appear with Sierra Version Tool: http://www.image-heberg.fr/files/16796244303590026334.jpg

I couldn't find Leisure Suit Larry 6 in Italian, there are only amateur translations, which makes me doubt about an official version in Italian.

On the other hand, the official German version of EcoQuest 2 has been unearthed: https://www.adventure-treff.de/forum/topic?t=89&start=167

It's really not obvious, there are obviously Polish editions, like the one from Torin, Russian versions like the one from Larry 7 by SoftClub...

Personally I'm desperately looking for the Japanese versions of:
King's Quest VII / キングスクエストVII / キングスクエストVII (PC Windows)
Lighthouse / ライトハウス (PC DOS/Windows)
Phantasmagoria 1 / ファンタズム / Phantasm (PC Windows)
Police Quest: SWAT / ポリスクエスト SWAT (PC DOS/Windows)
RAMA 宇宙のランデヴー (PC Windows)
Shivers / シバースー ~呪われた博物館~ (PC Windows)

References:
https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/SCI/Japanese_Games
https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=SCI/Sierra_Pioneer

So, If any member has a lead or knows a Japanese Abandonware site, I'm very interested :)



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